Monday, 18 October 2010

Internal Enslavement

I have just come across this concept recently by chance. There is a webpage here if you want to investigate it further. I don't think there is anything specifically new about it in the theme of D/s. It is just at one end of the notion of control and emphasises the psychological aspect.

I found a fetlife thread about it here. (Sorry non-members may not be able to see it all.)

However, this quote from it seems to sum it up well,

"Internal Enslavement is a particularly intense (OK, that's a controversial word, but I can't think of a better one, "extreme" sounds pretentious) version of the Master/slave/Owner/property dynamic where the Master/Owner uses conditioning techniques to sculpt and change the mind of the property. Some aims of the conditioning may be: Making it psychologically impossible for them to disobey or leave. Helping them to like things the didn't like before. Helping them to get over their psychological issues. Getting them to the point where they center their entire life unthinkingly around the master/owner. Changing all their reactions to "I'm doing this to please my master" to "I'm doing this because it's the way it should be done; was there ever any other way?"

Ideally this is all done in collusion with the slave - i.e. the slave understood and consented in the beginning, and thought that this conditioning was a Good Idea, and willingly went along with it. The process takes years and years; it's not quick and there is usually a long period in the beginning where the slave can bugger off if they change their minds. The conditioning has to be kept up, as the slave can slide out of it if nothing happens for years.

IE is Not For Everyone. It's waaay at the far end of the M/s/O/p dynamic spectrum. The slave has the rights that their owner grants them, and that's all. The owner holds the rights for the slave, because the slave has (after the IE is in place) has no recourse and can't leave unless the owner decides that they can. Again, it's Not For Everyone. Anyone who is made uncomfortable by the idea Should Not Be Doing This.

I suppose there are a number of 24/7 D/s lifestyle practices that are not for me and that I could have some concerns about. But this in particular somehow worries me a bit more.

Perhaps it is the "consensual" part. A sub would enter into this in a consensual way - wanting to be moulded in this way to be a better sub. In that way it is no different from any other D/s model of "slavery". Except for one thing. In any other model a slave in our modern society could tear up her slave contract and walk out having exacted whatever retribution she felt appropriate! (Ouch!!!)

But the whole point of IE seems to be to develop the control in a specifically psychological way. It is conditioning or brain-washing.

Most D/s relationships include development and discovery of finding deeper aspects of submission and domination. There is a journey that many wish to travel together and explore. However that seems different from one person messing with the mind of another in quite a deliberate way to control her. We are messing with each others minds in close relationships all the time - mostly unintentionally.

But perhaps it is just me being too queasy about people wanting to develop a real and true vision of slavery in modern society ...

I'm still queasy about it though.


Jz said...

If I start expounding, I shall succumb to agita.
I'll just say, "I agree with you. It's risky" and step away quietly...

Anonymous said...

Actully, I am reminded of the technigues pimps use to keep their "girls". It is intense s/m psychological conditioning. Then if that don't work use drugs and brutal violence. .A rather mild instance can be glimpse in the movie where Sharon Stone plays a prostitute whose pimp can reduce her to almost nothing even after she is married. Geez, I just can't remember the name of it. About gangsters and a casino in vegas.....

Anonymous said...

Hmmmm. Is it still consensual once a person's ability to think for themselves has been condiitoned out of existence? I think not. Who would agree to such a process up front? Any sub immersed in sub frenzy, thinking he/she had found "the one" or someone very insecure about expressing reservation and wanting to please.

When submission stops being a conscious choice on the part of the sub, I think both the sub and the Dom are walking on very dangerous ground.

Pygar said...

Thanks Jz, Anonymous and SubRosaNoMore.

I think I'm with SubRosaNoMore when she writes, "Is it still consensual once a person's ability to think for themselves has been conditioned out of existence? I think not."

I worry too about who would want to do such a thing.

emdie said...


I'm on time constraints for the time being in my personal life but do expect a very long winded message via Fetlife on this from me in the near future.

My best,


Pygar said...

Thanks emdie. I'll look forward to hearing from you.



DM said...

Perfect again Pygar. In my case I knew the cost early on. I chose what I believed to be the lesser of two evils and embraced the lifestyle introduced to me because quite frankly at that point I no longer was a individual and had no other options being married to a malignant personality. Little did I foresee a outcome as bizarre as my tale, however once the sadistic nature took completely over in my X I had no moral reason to stay, I ran (literally) and haven't looked back. I now struggle with the mental, physical and sexual aspects I did enjoy and strangely miss. Finding the balance in my life as it is now is exhausting, however the key word is MY. I choose. I've never been so free in my life. It justly take a little while for my mind to catch up with my new reality <3

Pygar said...

Ooops - I wrote a reponse a few minutes ago but Blogger seems to have lost it! Oh well...

It was just to thank you again Dani for sharing your experiences with us. It is great that you ran with no looking back and are now enjoying your freedom. Yes, it may take a while to fully get acclimatised to your new reality.

Take your time and enjoy the journey. Take care as you may still be vulnerable in different ways.

Good luck

P xxxx